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Not sure how to fix this...

Postby Nysari » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:47 pm

I'm willing to take her apart as much as necessary and rebuild her again since I went gung-ho and didn't look for help before I started shading.

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I just... don't like her. I think her head is too big and I want to fix the shoulders, but I'm not sure if that will make the base in turn too big. I also think she looks way too pillow shaded.

This is my first time making a portrait base... I didn't think it'd be so much harder than making a full sized for me. x.x

Any help/redlines/whatever would be greatly appreciated. I don't care much anymore what needs to be done in order to fix her. I really want her to turn out okay, so I'll redraw the whole torso if I have to. xD
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Postby Chama » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:18 am

I think she'll be really cute once you work out the kinks!! She has a cute, open expression~~ So for c/c, the biggest problem I actually see, first and foremost, is the placement of her breasts. And honestly, the best thing you can do is to find a reference.

Hopefully I've saved you what could have been a painful internet search through inappropriate pictures for reference 8D Here are some I think would help and -- fear not -- there is classy, artistic nudity, but nothing pornographic behind any of these links.

http://img2.visualizeus.com/thumbs/08/1 ... 36f9_h.jpg

http://static.photo.net/attachments/bbo ... 496084.jpg

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnai ... s-1878.jpg

Notice how there's a lot of space for the flat area of the sternum, even with large breasts. Yours goes almost immediately from the collarbone to the breasts. The pics may help with shoulders, too! :3
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Postby Nysari » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:54 am

Thanks! The pics helped a lot. I knew the breasts bothered me, but I couldn't figure out why... I broadened the shoulders and moved the breasts a little. I'll fix the shading when I think I'm happy with her.

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It's kinda hard creating the bra-boosted look on a nude figure, but I think she looks a lot better this way already...

EDIT: I decided fixing the shading would be the best way to see if I'm happy with her or not...
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And I kinda... really am. But I think I might just be blinded from staring at her for so long. Is there anything else that needs fixing?
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Postby Amaris » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:24 am

hm, she's standing a bit sideways, so her boobs would also be in that direction, so her nipples are in the wrong position I think. the right one in any case
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Postby Blu » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:02 pm

Her shoulders are very stiff, and her breasts still look a little strange to me, but that might be mostly the nipples. I can do some redlines, if you'd like?
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Postby Nysari » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:38 pm

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I gave her a little boob job and tried to fix the nipple placement a bit... but the boobs and shoulders are still giving me grief. So any redlines would be helpful if you don't mind, Blu~
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Postby xblack-catx458 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:50 pm

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1) One thing I notices, was that the shoulder that is "farther away" from the viewer looks longer than the shoulder that is "closer" to the viewer.

2) The breasts (semi-repeat of what every on has been saying) look almost like you are viewing them straight on. I would suggest making the one on the left (our left) a little smaller than the one on the right. I'm not very good with breasts, so my red lines look sorta... off.

3) If you find a picture of what eyes look like in a 3/4 view, you notice that their shape is a little different that if you look at them normally.

4) The nose looks really faint and small to me (but I really like noses,) and not like it was being viewed from an angle. The red line doesn't quite make the nose look like a 3/4 view because the nose is dainty and my red lines are not.

5) I know that if I draw a line following the jaw line (sort of) I reach the curvy point between the base of my skull and my neck. This, and the almost straight line on the back of the head was bothering me a little.

There are also some other random things:
I made the collar bone (I'm not a doctor, even if I was, everyone deserves to be lazy) a bit bigger
I shifted the ear around

I'm really not sure about this, but it is possible that the head is sticking forward a bit. I haven't draw a redline for that.

Feel free to take any, all, or none of my suggestions. In fact, some of them will probably make the base look very odd and probably are not anatomically correct.

It's looking really good, and she has a great mouth!
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Postby Amaris » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:13 pm

I took the liberty of playing around a little with some things

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I just noticed blackcat already drew red lines, but I thought I'd post my edits too, since I already made it :wink:

So, I lowerd her shoulders a bit, repositioned her nipples, gave her an ear thats not attached to her jawbone.
I also moved her head back a few pixels and I editted her eyes so she's looking straigt at you oh, and i changed her nose a little so you're looking at it sideways now
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Postby Blu » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:13 pm

I tried to do redlines, but I'm pretty sure I just made it worse. >> 3/4 views are my enemy(ies). XD
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Postby Nysari » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:51 pm

3/4 views do suck. :( I based the face on a 3/4 view photo of myself, but pretty loosely. I so hate my huge nose that I tried to overcompensate by putting one too tiny on the doll. xD I tried to come to terms with that this time around.

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I tried to follow a combination of advice... I tweaked her shoulders, moved the nipples around, curved the back of her head, tweaked the eyes, seperated the ear, and made her nose look a little bit more like the one in the photo. I still have it pretty small though...

I also played with some things and moved her mouth. I just changed her eyes because too many purple-eyed versions were popping up in my photobucket, and it was getting hard to tell them apart. xD

EDIT: A couple more tiny changes... Thanks so much everyone for all of the help so far. She's really really transformed from her weak beginnings...
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