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Re: Shix's NTD Thread

Postby batgirl » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:14 pm

this is probably one of the best dolls you've ever made shix and its not even done yet.
for my CC - I would suggest adding another highlight to AA the intense one you have now. I get that it's shiny, but shiny blends and shouldn't be so stark.

I did a quick shading to show you what I mean because I fail with words tonight. I only added in 1 halfway colour.
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread

Postby Shixam » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:32 pm

Thanks, Batty! I really hope that holds up now that (I think?) it's done.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid I rendered any old C/C on the tank top void because I was looking at it today and didn't like it too much. It was actually TOO shiny and I didn't like some of the folds, so I tweaked it some before starting on shading the rest today.

I'm going to spend some time at my grandma's house tomorrow, so I won't be able to do anything too intensive, but I'll leave it up until tomorrow evening, tweak anything I think I can tweak in the time I'll have based on C/C and then FINALLY send it in.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread

Postby AxxKat » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:37 pm

SHIX! she looks amaaaaazing!! :D
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread

Postby Artzygrrl » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:37 pm

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Here's the C/C I have - just a few guidelines to give you a direction for the top. :) Don't feel like you need to follow it ALL - I know your time is limited - but maybe it'll help you think about the way light creates planar shifts on garments. :D

I LOVE how the bottom half has turned out, btw. I agree with Bats that this is probably one of the best dolls you've ever made. <3
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread

Postby Keke » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:49 pm

I have not CC for you Shix. I just wanted to say that I think this is your best doll yet. The improvement is huge from the previous round. Keep up the great work. :) I'm proud of you.
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread

Postby Shixam » Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:05 pm

Thanks, everyone! =D

I went ahead and messed with the shirt more tonight and just sent her in. The final version is up in the Dolls category. Fingers crossed I don't end up getting cut. :P

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:36 pm

Okay, Round 1 results are up and I didn't get eliminated, so I'm starting on Round 2.

Quick Note: Please, no C/C from judges for this round. It got really stressful last round, and I would prefer saving something for the feedback portion of the pageant.

Two possible base choices. I just sketched out my ideas, so no actual edits yet.

I'm leaning towards the profile view, probably one of the bottom two if I go with it. I was looking up black and white beauty shots last night, trying to figure out what I could to make my entry interesting and stand out more so that it's not just another portrait doll.

I do, however, like that I can do a winky face with the front facing base, and it would give me the chance to do a little tank top.

Right now I'm probably going to go with the profile view, but I wanted to post my ideas and leave it for a bit to give me a chance to work on my Cocktail Hour entry at the same time.

The images I've gathered so far are basically a mix of the view I want to go for, and pieces of the hairstyle I want to try.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Phoenigette » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:40 pm

I like the winky face option. I think it is more true to your model.
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:35 pm

Okay, so after thinking about what you said, Debb, I decided you were right and went with the front facing.

First post has my first attempt at editing the expression. Not sure how it came out, but still needs actual colors and shading.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Phoenigette » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:50 pm

Before you get a ton further I would spend some time making the base look like your fullbody base. Your portrait face is fairly narrow, and your fullbody has a more circular face.

Are you doing a level expression or a slightly tilted one? It changes whether the eyes are level with the ears and each other, etc, so you should keep that in mind. I would lower her ear by at least 3 pixels, regardless.

For a first round expression it's pretty good. When people blink, their eyelashes make the half circle you have sketched out currently. When they wink, their muscles are more involved and it's not quite as relaxed as you have it. I'd wink and hold in a mirror or look up some examples. Instead of having the eyelashes at the bottom of her eye, they should be somewhere in the middle in an almost straight line or slight curve, usually with some kind of creasing or wrinkles. edit: asians wink beautifully, what the hell.
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:26 pm

I think I ended up going for a tilted look.

Made some changes based on your C/C, Debb. And I'm feeling a little better about it now.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby 4br4 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:06 am

As of right now, I think her neck is a itty bitty bit too long. Also it might be a bit easier to turn the head to be the same way as the chest.

However, her face looks super cute!! <3 Great progress so far!!
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:35 pm

Thanks, Ruby!

I shortened the neck, and I flipped the head. Kept the original version up, though, for comparison.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Dragyn » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:07 pm

So first - can I advise cropping your wips to just the dolls? We don't need to see the entire workspace unless the ref is needed for comparison. I have to click the thumbnail, open a new page, then magnify it to see it completely and took a long time for the /thumbnail/ to load just now.

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Okay as far as CC. Her head is level as far as tilt, meaning her features should be perfectly horizontal so to speak. Right now her winking half looks like its about to melt off of her face. Her eyebrow should be lower, yes, but the "wink" should actually be even-ish the center of her other eye. Right now it looks like she has one eye closed and one eye open, which lemme tell you is not comfortable or attractive. ><
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:53 pm

Moved the eye and cropped the PNG.

Honestly, I've mainly been posting the whole thing because whenever I post for C/C someone always says, "You should be using references," whether I am or not because I used to not put my references in Photoshop. I used to just go back and forth between photoshop and google images, but I got tired of being told to use references when I already am so I put them in photoshop and posted the whole thing so no one can tell me that anymore. xD

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:41 pm

Okay, so there wasn't new C/C for a full day, so I went ahead and started shading. And...it looks pretty ugly so far, I decided to stop working on it for the day.

EDIT: Oh, and I know it needs to be in black and white, but I decided I'm more comfortable working in color. So, assuming I get the entry done at all, I'm going to start out in color and then edit the palettes to black and white.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby batgirl » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:26 pm

I think you should post an update in your latest reply so I can see it without going to the first page <3

you seem to have reverted back to your old style of shading and not the style on your very much improved doll. While faces are yes round, shading in circles only makes them look fat and your character is definitely not.
When I do face edits, I actually think of it like I am putting make up on, I don't want my face to be round I want to accent the angles with straight lines and triangles. I suggest looking up contouring tutorials for makeup to show you in a very exaggerated form, how to shade a face.
Also, is that the same palate? it seems very grey and vampire-like and not the nice lit from within that the judges and everyone else loved
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby 4br4 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:09 am

tbh I looooove her face!! I think you're doing really great so far, especially on the lips, which idk how those work (lips are so hard to pixel ahhh), but they look great! My only suggestion would be to maybe move the edge up a pixel? I can see you're using Em as ref and it looks like she's smiling more than Lilly.

but yeah she looks great, and I eagerly await more from you!! Good luck!! uwu
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:10 am

So, I have mid-shifts all this weekend, so I won't be working on it again until Monday, but thanks for the C/C guys.

@Bats: I'll start posting the updates in each once I have another version done. I'm not too worried about if the skin tones match this round since it's going to be in black and white in the end, but I'll try to add another shade between each color so the techniques match more. I know everyone likes the round 2 doll, but if I'm being honest it bugged me how shiny and smooth the skin ended up looking and kinda felt like the judges were trying to make me make a pixel shaded doll look tool shaded and it bothered me.

@Ruby: Well, I'm actually thinking I'll change the lips and eyes back to the base's original expression. Honestly, they look kind of deformed to me, and I don't know how to fix it =\ I don't really want to change them back because it'll look more boring, but I never saw myself making it past Round 2 anyway, and I spent all the my energy stressing and caring about Round 1 so much I kinda just feel ready to throw in the towel. I'm still kinda mentally from the last doll. So, unless someone has some tips about it, I'll probably just give up on the expression.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby batgirl » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:01 pm

I totally forgot about the round theme of black and white lol sorry!
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Gwen » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:32 pm

I agree with you Shix about the tool shading thing. I felt kind of the same way tbh. Also i think this tutorial might help about the lips! http://msmellaa.deviantart.com/art/Pixe ... -524872697 I really like it and it gives the pouty look that you've already got going on. (:
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby 4br4 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:39 pm

Ahhh your health should always come first ok!! <333 And good luck with work!! <333

idk I don't really think it looks wonky :\ but you go w/ your gut, and good luck <333
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Phoenigette » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:38 pm

If you're not feeling the expression, my advice is to keep the wink and get rid of the kiss. Kissy faces are incredibly challenging to pull off in art and also life (duck faces anyone?). I think the wink adds character, though, and the shading for that part is easier.
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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:15 pm

OKAY! THANKS EVERYONE!

After two days I've had some time to ponder and regroup, and I think I'm ready to get back on this thing. Hopefully I'll be posting an update later tonight.

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Re: Shix's NTD Thread: Working on Round 2

Postby Shixam » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:59 pm

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Okay, here's the update!

Personally, I'm happy with it currently. Probably gonna try to tweak the angle of the mouth if I can figure that out, but otherwise I feel comfortable enough to move on for now.

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